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oVERstation at Astrup Fearnley Museum of Modern Art present:

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From: "sinikka olsen"=20
Date: Fri Mar 8, 2002 6:58 pm
Subject: Dear Rirkrit

Dear Rirkrit!

As you maybe have read in the last mails the oVERstation-room project =
has got some problems.

CENSORING
There is a problem that we cant do whatever we want in the room. It =
should be a "free-pleace" where everything could happen, but it doesnt =
function that way- because Astrup Fearnley has their own image to take =
care of. This got clear last week as Hj=F8rdis had arranged an artist to =
come and do a performance, and the Astrup Fearnley stopped it. It was a =
painful situation for us to tell the guy not to come.

ECONOMY
We have no budget.For this reason it is difficult for us to have =
arrangements that costs- and a lot of projects do cost some money.

THE ENTRANCE MONEY
Another problem is the entrance money the museum collects. The =
oVERstation-members fortunately get it for free, but every other person =
who wants to take a rest in the room, or visit me when I have my =
"cakelosj" have to pay.

Because of all this, the spirit is ebbing and the room is "dying". The =
group has had a meeting and talked about it, and what still could happen =
in the room. We also decided to meet Kvaran (the director of AF) and =
talk about the situation.

We wonder what you think. Have you any experience whit a room like this =
before, lasting 3 months? And how much do you think you still are =
involved? It has also been an idea makeing the room more a =
project-room.-Taking away the carpet, paint the walls white and let =
people work there on their own. Andrea Krogsn=E6s at the museum of =
contemporary art thought it could be a good solution.

With sincere regards your friends in Oslo

From: "rirkrit tiravanija"=20
Date: Sun Mar 10, 2002 3:18 pm
Subject: Re: [oVERstation] Dear Rirkrit=20

Dear Sinikka,

I have been with Jan this weekend in Berlin and he has told me the =
problem... it is to be expected, as always institutions are not able to =
cope with being free and really open. In the case of Astrup Fernly, they =
are private, which some how should be able to give them a better chance =
to open up .... but as we now see they can not.

It is a good idea to have the discussion with the director about the =
situation and be reasonable with him, and see how this plays out. I =
think it is a good idea as well to change the space, in relationship to =
the inabilities of the Museum to cope with the situation in the room... =
and since it is still running... otherwise, take it apart and empty it =
out and leave it as a blank space... since its function has ceased to =
function. I understand the energy flow and economic situations well... =
It is hard going to keep it up and I think everyone has done well to =
have gone this far... I am very attatched to what is going on, but it is =
for the group to take over... and the dicisions are yours to make... I =
belive that the result will be a reflection of the situation we have to =
deal with... but it is also the reality I often have to deal with... =
Perhaps a larger debate on how or what a museum function is to art and =
to the audience would be a good discussion to have in the room, before =
it changes... and address the idea weather Art should change to fit into =
such a Museum or should the Museum should change to be able to deal with =
the idea of making such Art... It is the idea of the exhibition... The =
passenger will now be without a bus to travel the limits of what their =
experiences could be!

Please do let everyone know that I am here and stand with you all the =
way as to your decisions... change the room or what ever it may have to =
be...but make it sure that it addresses the problems we have and that =
the Museum has to be responsible for its decisions and that they have to =
explained to their audience and all of us why they can not accept =
certain conditions of art... I dislike the discussions of censorship and =
I dislike to point my fingers at others inability to deal with many =
things we have tolive with in the world... its there right and their =
decision... but they should explained it out in an articulate manner... =
and not dismiss it.

My best to everyone,

Rirkrit

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</FONT><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#666699 size=3D2>From: "sinikka =
olsen" <BR>Date:=20
Fri Mar 8, 2002 6:58 pm<BR>Subject: Dear Rirkrit<BR><BR><BR>Dear=20
Rirkrit!<BR><BR>As you maybe have read in the last mails the =
oVERstation-room=20
project has got some problems.<BR><BR>CENSORING<BR>There is a problem =
that we=20
cant do whatever we want in the room. It should be a "free-pleace" where =

everything could happen, but it doesnt function that way- because Astrup =

Fearnley has their own image to take care of. This got clear last week =
as=20
Hj=F8rdis had arranged an artist to come and do a performance, and the =
Astrup=20
Fearnley stopped it. It was a painful situation for us to tell the guy =
not to=20
come.<BR><BR>ECONOMY<BR>We have no budget.For this reason it is =
difficult for us=20
to have arrangements that costs- and a lot of projects do cost some=20
money.<BR><BR>THE ENTRANCE MONEY<BR>Another problem is the entrance =
money the=20
museum collects. The oVERstation-members fortunately get it for free, =
but every=20
other person who wants to take a rest in the room, or visit me when I =
have my=20
"cakelosj" have to pay.<BR><BR>Because of all this, the spirit is ebbing =
and the=20
room is "dying". The group has had a meeting and talked about it, and =
what still=20
could happen in the room. We also decided to meet Kvaran (the director =
of AF)=20
and talk about the situation.<BR><BR>We wonder what you think. Have you =
any=20
experience whit a room like this before, lasting 3 months? And how much =
do you=20
think you still are involved? It has also been an idea makeing the room =
more a=20
project-room.-Taking away the carpet, paint the walls white and let =
people work=20
there on their own. Andrea Krogsn=E6s at the museum of contemporary art =
thought it=20
could be a good solution.<BR><BR><BR>With sincere regards your friends =
in=20
Oslo<BR><BR>From: "rirkrit tiravanija" <RIRKRIT@H...><BR>Date: Sun Mar =
10, 2002=20
3:18 pm<BR>Subject: Re: [oVERstation] Dear Rirkrit <BR><BR><BR>Dear=20
Sinikka,<BR><BR>I have been with Jan this weekend in Berlin and he has =
told me=20
the problem... it is to be expected, as always institutions are not able =
to cope=20
with being free and really open. In the case of Astrup Fernly, they are =
private,=20
which some how should be able to give them a better chance to open up =
.... but=20
as we now see they can not.<BR><BR>It is a good idea to have the =
discussion with=20
the director about the situation and be reasonable with him, and see how =
this=20
plays out. I think it is a good idea as well to change the space, in=20
relationship to the inabilities of the Museum to cope with the situation =
in the=20
room... and since it is still running... otherwise, take it apart and =
empty it=20
out and leave it as a blank space... since its function has ceased to =
function.=20
I understand the energy flow and economic situations well... It is hard =
going to=20
keep it up and I think everyone has done well to have gone this far... I =
am very=20
attatched to what is going on, but it is for the group to take over... =
and the=20
dicisions are yours to make... I belive that the result will be a =
reflection of=20
the situation we have to deal with... but it is also the reality I often =
have to=20
deal with... Perhaps a larger debate on how or what a museum function is =
to art=20
and to the audience would be a good discussion to have in the room, =
before it=20
changes... and address the idea weather Art should change to fit into =
such a=20
Museum or should the Museum should change to be able to deal with the =
idea of=20
making such Art... It is the idea of the exhibition... The passenger =
will now be=20
without a bus to travel the limits of what their experiences could=20
be!<BR><BR>Please do let everyone know that I am here and stand with you =
all the=20
way as to your decisions... change the room or what ever it may have to =
be...but=20
make it sure that it addresses the problems we have and that the Museum =
has to=20
be responsible for its decisions and that they have to explained to =
their=20
audience and all of us why they can not accept certain conditions of =
art... I=20
dislike the discussions of censorship and I dislike to point my fingers =
at=20
others inability to deal with many things we have tolive with in the =
world...=20
its there right and their decision... but they should explained it out =
in an=20
articulate manner... and not dismiss it.<BR><BR>My best to=20
everyone,<BR><BR>Rirkrit<BR></FONT>
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