[spectre] European debate/referendum : journalists of theFrenchTV TV2 and more denounce and sign

[grace aplomb]

<<ich bin ein>> what crazy *?%# language is that??!?!


--- franck ancel <franck.ancel at wanadoo.fr> wrote:

> Ich bin ein "paranoïa, agressivity, no intelligence;
> no dialogue, and
> bargain, just fantasmagoric rethoric"
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "v.grancher" <v.grancher at free.fr>
> To: "Aliette Guibert" <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>;
> ""spectre""
> <spectre at mikrolisten.de>
> Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 8:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [spectre] European debate/referendum :
> journalists of
> theFrenchTV TV2 and more denounce and sign
> 
> 
> > hereafter the proof  of the behaviour of this
> woman:
> > paranoïa, agressivity, no intelligence; no
> dialogue, and bargain, just
> > fantasmagoric rethoric
> > ;-)
> >
> > no coment is necessary ....
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Valery Grancher
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Aliette Guibert"
> <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>
> > To: ""spectre"" <spectre at mikrolisten.de>
> > Cc: "valery grancher" <v.grancher at free.fr>
> > Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 2:24 PM
> > Subject: Re: [spectre] European debate/referendum
> : journalists of the
> > FrenchTV TV2 and more denounce and sign
> >
> >
> > > You become a crazy manpower in delation and
> misunformation Valery : I
> > > discover that you could be a man linked to a
> party : is it peripherical
> or
> > > central ?
> > >
> > > All what I post here on the constitution can be
> verified following the
> > > links.
> > >
> > > You give to see which climate of hate it is
> growing up in France between
> a
> > > part and a part. Exactly it is the predictable
> future coming from a fake
> > > united Europe : HATE.
> > >
> > > Ask to the journalists who have signed the
> calling by Cotta (they are in
> > > professional risks right now), and even Laure
> Adler herself as France
> > > culture manager of radio France had signed the
> petition of the human
> right
> > > league to protest of the extradition of
> Battisti, last year ! - Even she
> > > could be ok to the constitution (but it does not
> appear that she would
> > have
> > > tolf of it - :
> > >
> > >
>
http://www.ldh-france.org/media/actualites/battisti19-11-04.pdf
> > >
> > > So happy freedom in free Europa, great
> inquisitor !
> > >
> > > I am a fighter even you would not appreciate it.
> > >
> > > Poor Sad Business Art Man running for your plate
> :)))
> > >
> > > Becoming a comportementalist policeman you
> appear at last under a
> strange
> > > light.
> > >
> > > A.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "valery grancher" <v.grancher at free.fr>
> > > To: "Aliette Guibert"
> <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>
> > > Cc: ""spectre"" <spectre at mikrolisten.de>
> > > Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 12:06 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [spectre] European
> debate/referendum : journalists of the
> > > FrenchTV TV2 and more denounce and sign
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I am living in paris and I am french, and since
> a few weeks I can see
> > > some email from this woman who's meaning that in
> our country we don't
> > > have anymore our  freedom to choose european
> constitution or not...
> > >
> > > That's really funny and when I'm  reading it I
> and you may feel a fancy
> > > paranoid behaviour with a huge disinformations
> focusing on her wown
> > > fantasm to be a victim of the french system.
> > >
> > > 1-  You have to know that nobody care about her
> email and she's
> > > anonymous and she's trying her best to get a
> kind of philosophical and
> > > political fame
> > >
> > > 2- The point she cannot get it because her
> speech is not philosophical
> > > neither polotical but fantasmagoric... and
> fantasm  is more dealing
> > > with subjectivity than objectivity. And politic
> is dealing always with
> > > a complex balance of fantasmagory and
> objectivity: The way that the
> > > politicians are elicted regarding their campaign
> and propaganda (look
> > > bush for example or chirac) and then objectivity
> during their mandate
> > > and the way they are managing the government and
> the reform.
> > >
> > > 3- But, When politicians are dealing with
> objectivity, they are brought
> > > back to fantasmagory through the reaction they
> are provoking: strikes,
> > > manifestations.  Everybody know that the main
> focus of a strike or
> > > manifestation is to say "NO!", this is not to
> propose another solution
> > > neither another reform.
> > >
> > > Conclusion:
> > > Regarding Europe constitution in our country,
> that's exactly whats is
> > > happening right now before the referendum:
> > >
> > > 1- We are free because we can say no or yes
> during the refereendum
> > > 2_ Like in every campaign both side are dealing
> with fear and paranoïa
> > > to promote their position:
> > > - "No side" is saying that europe will kill oour
> economy, that we will
> > > loose our freedom, our jobs and our national
> identity and that is
> > > really funny to see that both communist and
> neofacist have exactly the
> > > same speech regarding this constitution in our
> country !!!!!
> > > - "Yes side" is saying that this france who
> conceived this
> > > constitution (valery giscard d'estaing ex
> president of france), that
> > > this constitution may not be from right neither
> left and is defending
> > > our power in Europe and our position: We cannot
> say no because we will
> > > loose ourr power and credibility. And here also 
> that is funny to see
> > > both side, the democratic and republican politic
> parties, from the
> > > socialist to the republican (ump) have the same
> speech!!!!
> > >
> > > So everything is very clear, tghe antagonism
> regarding this
> > > cconstitution is not based on right versus left,
> but on extreme and
> > > totalitarian ideology versus social democrat and
> republican ideology
> > > based on neoliberalism !!!!
> > > And on my personnal level as a citizen who has
> to vote in the next few
> > > days, the maain wierd point is this election is
> not dealing with
> > > politic but a kind of a crazy choice in between
> totalitarian and social
> > > democrat together wikth republican ! That means
> that they are no more
> > > ideology based on right and left in politic but
> based on freedom
> > > (liberalism) oor totalitarism (communist or
> fascist)...
> 
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