Re2: [spectre] :/| n0name nachrichten #147

[Josephine Bosma]

May this be a warning to everybody, who like me was still naive  
enough to think one could try to have private conversations with  
anybody even slightly reeking of fanaticism.

best.



J
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On 21 Jun 2010, at 13:08, Matze Schmidt wrote:

> Hi Josephine,
>
> (posted this to the spectre-list as well, hope that's ok for you)
>
> well, no. I'm not interested in Music at all here (although I love  
> it/need it) but in the political functionalities of Sound. Music  
> understood as sub-category of sound. Some call music organized  
> sound. The sound of the 'Vuvu-people' is not organized (not in a de- 
> centralized way, not in a centralized way) but driven by the  
> productive appropriation of a cheap plastic mass product in a  
> context of gathering. That's the state of the art in Cultural  
> Studies (not my 'knowledge'). Of course this understanding is a  
> shortened one.
>
> As I said, it's not Cagean stuff, what would form a school, but  
> Cage's doings that are crucial. So, the masses in the stadium are  
> not only making the WC more interesting. Their symbolic product  
> (the sound, this post-colonial folkloric ethnic loaded thing) is  
> used to make the WC the commodity these working people and esp. the  
> working people in the west pay for. At the same time they consume  
> and generate this commodity. They are not the assholes, they are  
> driven and product for their part. I don't believe in boycotts, you  
> can't boycott capitalism, only a single ware against another ware.  
> So the Vuvuzela-Sound is not bad or good, it is the sign of what's  
> happening. But this ain't bread and circuses for the plebs but the  
> context of surplus value (value added by workers in their free  
> time) etc.
>
> Forget music as Music and Cage as music-maker against the noise.  
> 4"33 could be interpreted as a reactionary but dialectic try to  
> forget about music to re-invent it at the same time. That is what  
> so called sound ecologists are trying to overcome: Oh, let's forget  
> about the elitist modern art shit and their problems with the real.  
> Let's make the real with the better sound with filters and great  
> new buildings in the stinking city and then get back to our un- 
> noisy village. With and against cage one must point out what's the  
> case. 'We' are not the real receivers of our products (voice,  
> noise, sound, plastic horns, etc.), we have to be exploited for it,  
> isolated but in patches.
>
> Have fun,
>
> M
>
> PS: Please note e-mailflyer below.
>
>> You can find a reference to Cage as a silencer of unwanted city noise
>> in Douglas Kahn's Noise Water Meat. I tend to agree with him, but am
>> rather forgiving, as is Kahn... ;-)
>>
>> The buggers are of course the vuvuzela artists.. ;-) Whatever they
>> are or what their purpose is, they have made this WC a lot more
>> interesting.
>
>> Yesyes... your take is that it is a capitalist pollution of music and
>> the games. How does that change what I said?
>
>>> "Wenn also jemandem der Nerv geraubt oder getoetet wird, ist das
>>> nicht der Diebstahl, der interessant ist. Der liegt in der Wegnahme
>>> der Kette der Herstellung des Dings, seiner immateriellen
>>> Qualitaeten und der Arbeits- und "Freizeit", die dafuer verbraucht
>>> wird."
>>>
>>> http://n0name.de/news/news147.txt
>>>
>>>>> And as we all know John Cage was wrong. We can't give back the  
>>>>> voice
>>>>> to the peoples. Vuvuzelas kill!
>>>>
>>>> Actually, this project is quite Cagean: silence the buggers!
>
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