[spectre] Dispatches from Ukraine: Tactical Media Reflflections and Responses

info at madatac.es info at madatac.es
Sun Jul 17 17:57:48 CEST 2022

El 2022-07-17 11:30, info at madatac.es escribió:
> Bravo Rasa,
> Perfectly expressed the real face and objectives of Ruscism.
> Russia, the greatest terrorist country of this world, accuses Ukraine
> of an  "act of terrorism"  after their destruction of a Russian
> ammunition depot in Nova Kakhovka... but they do not stop bombing
> civilian and medical facilities in Ukraine. Actually, only the lack of
> mental clarity, due to their known alcoholism, and their extreme
> wickedness, cruelty and cynicism, makes Russia leaders react in this
> way,  as they see how they are not only losing the war but losing
> thousands of soldiers and weapons each day, an inconceivable reality
> that make them shout like the typical neighborhood thug ,finally
> beaten up by the neighbors.
> The defeat of Russian fascism by democratic Ukraine will change the
> course of history and allow us to get rid of an inhuman form of
> country and state.

> Remember and don't forget, there is still a genocidal war against the
> civilian population of Ukraine that has wiped from the Russian society
> any hint of civilization, an ethnic and cultural cleansing carried out
> by the inhuman criminal Russian terrorist state.
> Slava Ukraini, Slava Heroiam!
Dmytro Kuleba, Foreign Minister of Ukraine: "The Russian people share 
the responsibility for the crimes that Putin is committing."

> Iury
> El 2022-07-17 10:57, Rasa Smite escribió:
>> heath
>> I am sorry, but your messages don't make any sense, they are full of
>> "jumbled thoughts", or may be my English is not sophisticated enough
>> but I don't get your point,
>> may I make it bit more clear here - that since the Feb 24, 2022 (war
>> in Ukraine started) there are basically only two sides - either you
>> support Ukraine's fight to get free from Russia's occupants, or you
>> accept that Putin's Russia can go on and take the dominance,
>> continuing to use their worst and most cynical war methods against
>> civilians in Ukraine - now, and later in other countries.. (they will
>> never stop, as they never have enough - not only many experts say so,
>> but also my personal experience - of living my first 20 years in my
>> life in Russia's occupied Latvia).
>> there is no other third way, as this is not a democratic country we
>> deal with, it's based on lies, it always was, and these lies are very
>> different ones than those in your 'bad' capitalist countries, because
>> they are really dangerous, 'imperialistic' (as you say) and
>> chauvinistic, they make other nations they occupy lesser than them,
>> and make other world to believe their 'cultures' are bigger and
>> better, while our (other Eastern European, and former occupied
>> countries) voices then have always been shut up, you were used to call
>> us "rusophobs", which is totally not the case and never was, many of
>> my best friends are Russians.
>>> can we not leave nation states to fight it out between themselves ?
>> of course not! the 'nice' Western people already for too long have
>> accepted Russia's Kremlin propaganda and their hybrid media wars as in
>> Baltics, never taking too seriously, and again calling us Rusophobes,
>> Western countries were always shutting us up when our governments gave
>> the serious warnings in various (especially recent ones) European
>> meetings.
>> so either you listen bit more carefully what the other nations who
>> have been under long occupation think of the war in Ukraine and Russia
>> as country,
>> or you can try yourself to visit Russia and try to figure out what the
>> 140 million people there really think..
>> or, move to Latvia, if you really want to understand and personally
>> experience how does it feel to live just 200 km from the border of the
>> big threatening country, who already occupied us once. it is here very
>> different feeling to be here - as Latvia (which is rather poor
>> country) is hosting 40 000 refugees from Ukraine, where my friends are
>> delivering jeep cars privately to the Ukraine to help them (while
>> other pacifistic Western European countries deny or delay their
>> military support), and we do this because at least 30% by official
>> statistics believe that we will be next... (sooner or later).
>> so any, even the most tiniest expression or sign of a help or support
>> such as an art residency or writing activist project, supporting
>> Ukrainian position is worth it, because it is a simply a humanistic
>> act, so much needed, as their hearts and lives are broken no matter if
>> they have escaped, but they are aware of that in their country Russian
>> militarists continue to kill and rape...
>> so while pacifism has long way to be achieved, there are humans and
>> their lives that need any support or a sign of any solidarity now...
>> any critical skepticism towards those who do something is the least 
>> needed.
>> Jaanis sent you great sources, you better read them first before
>> questioning, if they are trustful enough for you.
>> and last but not least, I also can share my own 'jumbled thoughts' by
>> referring to Manovich's post in FB, when he said that please consider
>> that many people (especially young ones) in Russia would prefer to
>> live in your "rotten" capitalist system. So am I, as I have
>> experienced both - communist and capitalist governments. And here I am
>> largely suspicious about your pacifistic ideas, as well as other UK's
>> May 1st Day activist ambivalent intents (how I call them - marxists
>> with Porsche): may be you simply don't want countries like Ukraine,
>> Moldova, Georgia, etc. to share with your capitalist "goods" and
>> people achieving just to live their normal lives?
>> best
>> Rasa
>> On 16/07/2022 14:49, heath bunting wrote:
>>> jaanis
>>> thanks for links - will take a look - not hopeful for making
>>> good decision on these though, as it takes years of careful scrutiny
>>> to determine whether sources are reliable and not mouthpieces for 
>>> in-tell agencies
>>> why does russian state propaganda matter to grass roots activists ?
>>> i would have thought super-state propaganda vs sub-state propaganda 
>>> is more relevant
>>> can we not leave nation states to fight it out between themselves ?
>>> overwhelming evidence suggestions that unlawful trans-national 
>>> entities such as empires (united state of america empire: USAE) are a 
>>> greater threat to individuals/ humanity than lawfully constituted 
>>> nation states
>>> what's more of a threat to peace ? 1000 foreign USAE military bases 
>>> or
>>> 2 russian foreign military bases ?
>>> hope all is well
>>> heath
>>> On Sat, 16 Jul 2022, jg at 21.x-i.net wrote:
>>>> Most of your questions about importance of fighting russian state 
>>>> propaganda can be answered by these expert resources:
>>>> https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/03/08/meduza-is-granting-open-access-to-all-content-about-the-war-in-ukraine-under-a-creative-commons-license 
>>>> https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/07/12/meduza-is-hiring-a-social-media-editor-for-its-english-language-edition 
>>>> https://theconversation.com/russias-disappearing-independent-media-why-they-closed-178590 
>>>> https://netzpolitik.org/2020/russian-disinformation-the-network-of-fake-foreign-media/ 
>>>> https://euvsdisinfo.eu/report/the-war-in-ukraine-is-about-the-reunification-of-the-russian-people2 
>>>> The Russian neo-Nazis fighting Vladimir Putin’s war to ‘denazify’ 
>>>> Ukraine
>>>> https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/07/15/dying-to-kill
>>>> List of few independent  resources in Russian..
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/c/Popularpolitics
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/c/NevzorovTV
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/c/FeyginLive
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzaqqlriSjVyc795m86GVyg
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/c/Gordonua
>>>> On 16/07/2022 11:03, heath bunting wrote:
>>>>> geert
>>>>>> supporting Ukrainian media and confronting Russian state 
>>>>>> propaganda.
>>>>> these aims appear to be very aligned to imperial interests
>>>>> what do you mean by ukrainian media ? state/ corporate or grass 
>>>>> roots ?
>>>>> why is it important to confront russian state propaganda ?
>>>>> who is at risk of this messaging ?
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