[spectre] a terrible day

carsten stabenow carsten at garage-g.de
Wed Mar 2 16:19:58 CET 2022 

depends on how you define ‚disinformation‘
crimethInc has a clear history, easily to track (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CrimethInc.)

thanks andreas for opening up the discussion here!
i’m personally shocked by the war rhetoric from all sides. i worked the past 25 years with artists from ukraine and russia in context trying to make borders unnecessary, call me naive, but i’m still 100% that we have to stand together against any kind of war - boycotts in the cultural sector would be confession of failure. (my subjective position)

there was just a post by geert lovink on nettime with many proposals for constructive action:
https://nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-2203/msg00005.html

best, carsten


> Am 02.03.2022 um 15:49 schrieb Matias Schüttenberg <matschutt at gmail.com>:
> 
> Is this the same desinformation campaign from Social Networks?? 
> 
> Has someone researched on this subject there?
> 
> 
> On 2 Mar 2022 10:39, "Nicolas Montgermont" <list at nimon.org <mailto:list at nimon.org>> wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> 
> Maybe it is good to have the point of view of some political groups in Ukraine and Russia.
> 
> Here is an article from some anti anti-authoritarian ukrainian groups that is two weeks old:
> https://en.crimethinc.com/2022/02/15/war-and-anarchists-anti-authoritarian-perspectives-in-ukraine <https://en.crimethinc.com/2022/02/15/war-and-anarchists-anti-authoritarian-perspectives-in-ukraine>
> 
> Here is one by russian anarchists, updated one week ago.
> https://en.crimethinc.com/2022/02/26/russian-anarchists-on-resisting-the-invasion-of-ukraine-updates-and-analysis <https://en.crimethinc.com/2022/02/26/russian-anarchists-on-resisting-the-invasion-of-ukraine-updates-and-analysis>
> 
> They really helped me to understand the political situation!
> Best,
> n
> 
> PS : forgive me if these were already posted here.
> 
> https://nimon.org <https://nimon.org/>
> Le 02/03/2022 à 11:48, Spyros Boukas a écrit :
>> 
>> Hi everyone, 
>> 
>> I would like to share some thoughts that I have had since last week.
>> I apologize in advance for my English :) 
>> 
>> 
>> This is a world war that didn’t start last week.
>>   
>> It has started many years ago.
>>   
>> It has started straight after the end of the ‘’cold war’’ that was not cold at all.
>>   
>> It started with the first Gulf War in 1990, were the western Alliances attacked Iraq. 
>> And it continued with the occupation and destruction of many eastern countries since then. 
>> But in western countries and western media this was not a problem, because we were the ones that were bombing.
>> And because the dead people were Muslims.
>> 
>> In 1995 there was a massacre in Kosovo, the biggest massacre after the second world war, in which all the European countries took part, by their silence. 
>> And still, this was not a problem, because the dead people were Muslims. Here in Greece, the media were saying that the people were bombing their city by themselves 
>> because they were fanatic Muslims (the same ideology that continued with the second war in Iraq)
>> 
>> Now that the country that is attacking is not a western country, it is called war.
>> As if previously we were having peace in the world.
>>   
>> In Ukraine from 2014 there is a war and since then, 14000 people have died. 
>> If we look back when this started, we can see that this is something that was pushed from the western countries back then. 
>> By sending weapons and supporting the para-military of Ukraine and helping to establish a Fascist regime that oppresses the people and the working class of Ukraine 
>> and forwards neonazi ideologies and practices.
>>   
>>  
>> As the global Capitalistic crisis rises more and more, the war probably will come closer to us. 
>> But whenever the Bosses of this world are making wars to compete for their geopolitical thirst and capitalism expansion, we are the ones who always die...
>>   
>> As the war expands, our personal or collective dilemmas for participation for sure will get stronger. 
>> We should not join any National flag. We should fight in our countries against their participation in any war, 
>> because we will be the victims of something that we only have to lose. 
>> We have to lose our friends and beloved people’s lives or even our lives.
>> 
>> We won’t fight for anyone. 
>> 
>> Peace among the people, War among the Classes.
>>   
>> Together with the Oppressed people of Ukraine who are fighting against this war.
>>   
>> Together with the Oppressed and arrested people of Russia, who are fighting against this war.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon>	Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link>
>> 
>> On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 3:36 PM Lanfranco Aceti <lanfranco.aceti at gmail.com <mailto:lanfranco.aceti at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> April 5, 2021 https://www.cato.org/commentary/joe-bidens-ukraine-policy-repeat-george-w-bush-georgia <https://www.cato.org/commentary/joe-bidens-ukraine-policy-repeat-george-w-bush-georgia>
>> 
>> April 21, 2021 https://www.cato.org/commentary/time-cure-americas-clientitis-over-ukraine <https://www.cato.org/commentary/time-cure-americas-clientitis-over-ukraine>
>> 
>> Dear Andreas, and everyone else, I hope you are well... Nice to see that you still can keep this unruly flock to toe the red line.... :)))) 
>> 
>> I hope you will enjoy the links. I do not approve or disapprove of the Cato Institute, I just find their writing very telling of a US mindset and liked the fact that these opinions were voiced almost a year ago. 
>> 
>> This clarification is in case someone would want to accuse me of being a puppet or client of the Cato Institute. By the way, to be a client one should have been paid something. Unfortunately, I haven't. :))))) (For those who might misunderstand, I would like to alert you to the fact that this paragraph is a sarcasm, including the present disclaimer.)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Lanfranco Aceti, Ph.D.
>> Artist, Curator, and Academic
>> 
>> Preferring Sinking to Surrender, Venice Architecture Biennale, 2021
>> 
>> Tools for Catching Clouds https://www.lanfrancoaceti.com/portfolio-items/tools-for-catching-clouds/ <https://www.lanfrancoaceti.com/portfolio-items/tools-for-catching-clouds/>
>> Preferring Sinking to Surrender, Part I https://www.lanfrancoaceti.com/portfolio-items/preferring-sinking-to-surrender-part-i/ <https://www.lanfrancoaceti.com/portfolio-items/preferring-sinking-to-surrender-part-i/> 
>> Preferring Sinking to Surrender, Part II https://www.lanfrancoaceti.com/portfolio-items/preferring-sinking-to-surrender-part-ii/ <https://www.lanfrancoaceti.com/portfolio-items/preferring-sinking-to-surrender-part-ii/>
>> Sacred Waters https://www.lanfrancoaceti.com/portfolio-items/sacred-waters/ <https://www.lanfrancoaceti.com/portfolio-items/sacred-waters/>
>> Le Schiavone https://www.lanfrancoaceti.com/portfolio-items/le-schiavone/ <https://www.lanfrancoaceti.com/portfolio-items/le-schiavone/>
>> Orthós https://www.lanfrancoaceti.com/portfolio-items/orthos/ <https://www.lanfrancoaceti.com/portfolio-items/orthos/>  
>> Seven Veils https://www.lanfrancoaceti.com/portfolio-items/seven-veils/ <https://www.lanfrancoaceti.com/portfolio-items/seven-veils/>
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> Lanfranco Aceti http://www.lanfrancoaceti.com <http://www.lanfrancoaceti.com/>
>> Director and Founder, MoCC http://www.museumofcontemporarycuts.org <http://www.museumofcontemporarycuts.org/>
>> Editor in Chief LEA, MIT Press http://www.leoalmanac.org <http://www.leoalmanac.org/> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 1:50 PM Andreas Broeckmann <ab at mikro.in-berlin.de <mailto:ab at mikro.in-berlin.de>> wrote:
>> 
>> folks,
>> 
>> please, refrain from personal insults; it's one of the "red lines" that 
>> this co-moderator and co-list-owner draws.
>> 
>> best regards,
>> 
>> -a
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