<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Hi Armin</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for this very informative reading! Especialy the phrase: </div><div><br></div><div>"<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 20px; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); line-height: 31px; ">The biggest villain was of course business-minded Le Corbusier. "</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 20px; line-height: 31px; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.285156); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.21875); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.21875);"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 20px; font-family: Verdana; line-height: 31px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.285156); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.21875); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.21875);">A</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.285156); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.21875); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.21875);">s</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.285156); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.21875); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.21875);"> if it </span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 20px; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.285156); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.21875); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.21875); font-family: Verdana; line-height: 31px; ">was written out of my own heart</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 20px; line-height: 31px; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.28125); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.214844); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.214844);"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 20px; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.285156); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.21875); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.21875); font-family: Verdana; line-height: 31px; ">Thanks </span><br></div><div><br>Andreas Maria Jacobs<div><div><br></div><div>w: <a href="http://www.nictoglobe.com"><a href="http://www.nictoglobe.com">http://www.nictoglobe.com</a></a></div><div>w: <a href="http://burgerwaanzin.nl"><a href="http://burgerwaanzin.nl">http://burgerwaanzin.nl</a></a></div></div></div><div><br>On May 30, 2011, at 14:04, Armin Medosch <<a href="mailto:armin@easynet.co.uk">armin@easynet.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>Hi,</span><br><span></span><br><span>I actually don't have time but it reminds strongly of Birkhoff's</span><br><span>aesthetic measure cf</span><br><span><a href="http://www.fi.muni.cz/reports/files/older/FIMU-RS-99-06.pdf">http://www.fi.muni.cz/reports/files/older/FIMU-RS-99-06.pdf</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>This was picked up by Max Bense in the 1950s who tried to merge it with</span><br><span>information theory. Similar but different Abraham Moles who elaborated a</span><br><span>measure of originality, also starting with Birkhoff, information theory</span><br><span>and cybernetics, but also a very deterministic type of behaviorist</span><br><span>cultural sociology, see "Information theory and aesthetic</span><br><span>perception" (1966). Their approaches did not prove to be very fruitful</span><br><span>in the long run as regards more narrowly the application of mathematics</span><br><span>to artistic tastes but did inspire some artists to make interesting</span><br><span>things.</span><br><span></span><br><span>more valuable for your interest but also problematic for reasons which</span><br><span>to explain would take an afternoon is Jack Burnhams Structure in Art</span><br><span>(1971) who tries to find the deep structure of art using Lévi-Strauss,</span><br><span>Barthes, Chomsky but also Bourbaki mathematics and Klein Group theory.</span><br><span>the book is hard to find but it seems very close to your endeavour. If</span><br><span>anybody knows a good critique of Burnham's book I would be grateful. </span><br><span></span><br><span>I have been reflecting on similar issues in this text</span><br><span><a href="http://www.thenextlayer.org/node/1365">http://www.thenextlayer.org/node/1365</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>regards</span><br><span>Armin</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>On Mon, 2011-05-30 at 13:40 +0200, Geert Lovink wrote:</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>From: Michał Brzeziński <<a href="mailto:michal@brzezinski.net">michal@brzezinski.net</a>></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Date: 30 May 2011 1:35:40 PM</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>To: Michał Brzeziński <<a href="mailto:brzezinski.video@gmail.com">brzezinski.video@gmail.com</a>></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: The subjective value of art – a mathematical formula?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Good monday morning!</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>This is essentional and short text about my subjective formula of</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>valuation of art, so please - lets discuss. 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