<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">starting the database will be great. please include freelance curators next to artist.<br><br>something from web<br>Who pay artist<br><a href="http://www.whopaysartists.com/">http://www.whopaysartists.com/</a><br><br>best<br>d<br><br><br><br>On Jun 3, 2014, at 15:25 PM, Jaromil wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">On Tue, 03 Jun 2014, Brian Degger wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Site Offline<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Due to an influx in popularity [1]www.promoterdb.com is temporarily<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> offline while we re-assess how things are managed and where the<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> site is heading. There has been a lot of contact and opinions given<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> about this site, so we have decided to pull it offline until we<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> have time to create a medium where people can discuss it's future<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> and functionality.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">wow. interesting.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">I think their idea is very good.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">hope someone can keep it up.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Brian, should we start a project like this? :^)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">we could think of running a db, but just for Europe...<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">OTOH I reiterate my doubts about such an axiomatic approach to labour<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">politics to be any better than actual unionism, but the rationality of<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">neo-liberism is asking its toll here.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">good luck rating the content aggregators!<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">p.s. (and thanks for replying. cultural operators announce lists feel<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>rather Kafkian at times)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Jaromil <[2]jaromil@dyne.org> wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> dear Spectres,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> some years ago (most people here might have forgotten anyway) I've<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> lamented my bad experience in contributing to the Piksel media art<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> festival in Bergen. At that time I thought of proposing a guideline of<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> sorts and hoped in the birth of some kind of unionism for all those of<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> us who are content producers and end up being milked and thrown away by<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> aggregators of sorts. I'm sure many of you out there have to go through<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> such experiences.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Today I've found this [3]http://www.promoterdb.com<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> which might be of some interest.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> I'm not sure if this will work as expected and I'm not affiliated with<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> it in any way. However it might be interesting to experiment, filling in<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> some feedback about the good experiences at least.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">From a unionist perspective it is somehow sad that the overall decay of<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> labour based relationships within content producers and art institutions<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> have lead to resort to such disgregating and passive methods.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> But then what else?<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Are on-line rating systems the place-holder for labour unions in a<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> neo-lib world?<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">-- <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://jaromil.dyne.org/">http://jaromil.dyne.org</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">GPG: 6113 D89C A825 C5CE DD02 C872 73B3 5DA5 4ACB 7D10<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">______________________________________________<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">SPECTRE list for media culture in Deep Europe<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Info, archive and help:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://post.in-mind.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/spectre">http://post.in-mind.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/spectre</a><br></blockquote><div><br></div></body></html>