[wos] wos4 is happening, help wanted

[Volker Grassmuck]

Saul, Juergen, thanks a lot! This is indeed a great relief.

On 14 Mar 2006 at 18:03, Juergen Neumann wrote:

> Same from me. I can only repeat Sauls words here and would like to
> please you to add your words to the WSFII Calendar/Wiki and announce

will do in a sec.

> > 14-16th Sept seems good to me. 

So it shall be. 

> Refugees from AE can find succour and
> gear > up for a geek out at eurooscon. 

Or run themselves senseless at the Berlin Marathon ,-)

18.-21. September: O'Reilly's EuroOSCON in Brussels
http://conferences.oreillynet.com/euos2006/

20.-22. september: Popkomm 
http://www.popkomm.de/

23. u. 24. September 2006: Berlin Marthon
http://www.berlin-marathon.com

So the space-time coordinates are fixed. Now we have to get serious.

> > > Finally, the most interesting question: what will the issues of wos4

> > These sub-categories from WSFII were, as ever, unable to describe the
> > diversity and complexity of what people were actually doing.
> > 
> > - Open Geodata
> > - Free Networks
> > - Open Money
> > - Open Civic Information
> > - Open Hardware
> > - Free/Open Culture

Saul, by chance, this covers much of the territorry wos has been 
treading from its start ,-) Just a few remarks:

> > - Open Geodata

That was on my wishlist for wos3 already, and it was the most 
exciting part of WSFII in London. Definitely.

> > - Open Money

We had this at wos2
http://www.wizards-of-os.org/index.php?id=237&L=3
I still find it interesting, but I didn't hear anything in London 
that made me think we have to do it again. Since wos4 will be single-
track, we will have to make tuff choices. Here my choice would be: 
rather not.

> > - Open Civic Information

What was that again? Freedom of Information Acts?

> > There seems to be a general shift towards deployment of hybrid
> economic
> > models that are becoming commercially successful (at least gaining VC
> > capital)
>
> > 'fon' (en.fon.com) - in the field of free networks has pilotted a
> hybrid > economic model, using free software, hardware, rhetoric, and
> ideas from > the Free Networks community. They got 18 million $ from
> skype and google. > Some aspects of what they're doing kind of make
> sense, but what kind of > model is this? 
> 
> > del.icio.us and flickr, (recently prominent) and countless other foaf
> > mapping and collaboration experiments coming from the free/social
> > software scene bought off and consolidated as prototypes for 'web
> 2.0'.
>
> > Where 2.0: O'Reilly's other big conference this year announces: "The
> > thrust of the program for the 2006 conference will answer the
> question > "where's the value"? They'll be looking at the latest Where
> 2.0 > technology, businesses, and content with an emphasis on these
> questions: > How can developers make money at this? What applications
> have legs? How > can enterprises make money using this?" 

Web 2.0 -- ist that a hype we should really hop onto? Isn't that just 
the infoware idea that Tim talked about in 1999 at wos1?
http://www.wizards-of-os.org/index.php?id=141

What's in it for freedom? Sustainable support for free infrastructure 
thru venture capital? Should we hope for Google to become even richer 
so they can 'give back' more?

> > 'Where's the value' *is* a good question, especially when trying to
> > ascertain whether these hybrid models are any different from the usual
> > ram-raid on our subculture.

yes, and especially if it's not immediately abreviated to: how can 
enterprises and developers make money off of it? So yes, I see 
something there, but I don't see the right angle yet.

> > Since the European Parliament adopted the 'Inspire' directive giving
> the
> > green light to continued and consolidated corporate monopoly on
> > state-collected geodata (due to pass into law in July 2006, unless
> people
> > rally around http://publicgeodata.org successfully) - this is
> definitely
> > a key 'issue' that could be addressed - and might be answered best by
> > asking 'if we had it, what would we do with it?'.

d'accord again. And I would encourage everyone who has not done so to 
go there and sign the petition.

best
Volker


> > So - a bunch of questions.
> > 
> > Anyway, back to dates:
> > 
> > The WSFII calendar looks like this:
> > 
> > - 24-27. March 2006         :   CommunityWeekend, Berlin
> > - March 31.-April 2. 2006   :   2nd National Community wifi Summit,
> USA
> > - end April - start May 2006:   WSFII Dharamsala, India
> > - 1-2. Nov. 2006            :   WSFII Goa, India
> > - mid-end Nov. 2006         :   WSFII 2006 Bangalore, India
> > - 15-16. Dec. 2006          :   WSFII Kerala, India
> > 
> > There's a nice, WOS shaped gap in there - it would be really great to
> add
> > it to the calendar as a place that WSFII people and discussions could
> > reconvene in Berlin (European Capital of Free Infrastructures 2006) to
> > discuss winter meetings in India and contribute to infrastructures
> > debates at wos...
> > 
> > Hope I can make it, and that this braindump is in some way useful.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> > Saul.
> > 
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