[spectre] Re: spectre] Save the Lebanese Civilians Petition

[Louise Desrenards]

Dear Rene, 

(Apologizes from my part to other subscribers).

Insult to the person more assumptions: how to answer such a letter?

First. I am from none party. I am autonomous. Of course I am from people who
thinks that Palestinian ask for their legitimate respective autonomy in
Palestine at the moment they would not have a political partage in Israel.
There is no more solution. At the moment Rabin has respected this position
it must be assured. That Rabin was murdered by extremist Jews is not a
detail.

Second. sorry of my bad Anglophone but the interest was to open the subject
online. That was successful as more details and links (Heiko gives a german
link that open other view to understand better) and more other actions were
coming to help Lebanese. It  was not an easy task to be the first proposing
(regarding your reaction it is easy to appreciate what I say) when knowing
of probable both diaspora online. I have choose mostly non activist but
traditional Press media references and links to respect it.

But Israeli famous active quotations active for the peace and respecting
Palestinian not for the war.

So please: there is no manipulation in the work that I make on-line to open
the possible discussion against the war in Lebanon from moment the
fascinated affects cross the Diaspora (both Diasporas).

I chose to install a board of collected information that make critical sense
openly to other point of views rather than of opinion that make crazy.

Obviously I am not a journalist, I am a publisher on internet and a curator
of art and cultural events thus I do not spare my own commitment in my
comments. Everybody can know how who and why ‹more with‹ by reading my
emails, clearly read to me; it is not a manipulation it is expression to
tribute the reflection.

Every one speaking English as well as you do cannot miss the good reading of
the petition, not being stupid the others, and know of my own position to
call for a sign that never cannot exactly be the same position as the
petition comes from Lebenese more under the bombs.

Obviously that there was probably one or several dozen deaths in Israel
further to the launch of rockets. I have never said the opposite, I said
something which means: no victim during the first shootings of rocket.

More you will notice that I quote several hundreds of death in Lebanon
without show the links of the pics. But at last we know that following the
war the pics can disappear in the information because they want nobody to
get up against what they do. The worst without conscious.

So thanks Jayce for the link.

The text of the petition cannot be a text pro Israeli by whom is agressed.

Yet now I am not useful. Many others have entered, submitting links and
propose actions from a legitimate position.

Please have yiour march to your own mirror.


On 20/07/06 7:34, "rene beekman" <r at raakvlak.net> probably wrote:

> 
> On Jul 19, 2006, at 12:58, Aliette wrote:
>> The petition is written by 'Lebanese intellectuals not by "west
>> european
>> intellectuals".
> 
> please read my original mail again.
> i never made any claims as to who wrote the petition.
> in fact, quite the opposite
> you would have known if you would have properly read my mail
> 
>> This petition declares that Lebanon is assaulted by the representative
>> army
>> of Israel: I do not see where yourselves can see an alternative in this
>> declaration at the moment the representative army of Lebanon has not
>> assaulted Israel. It argues of laws in matter of offense by a state to
>> another state which are installed by the conventions of Geneva which
>> was
>> respected even by US in Viet Nam or French in Algeria to the borders
>> and the
>> countries of the borders where they were refugees helping the
>> resistance.
>> 
>> Hezbollah is not the representative army of Lebanon.
> 
> sorry, this has nothing to do with my arguments
> again, you have not read my mail properly
> and i refuse to change the discussion
> 
>> Or you do not know of the history of independences from
>> colonialisms... More
>> you misunderstand of the question of Palestinian territories statement
>> since
>> Oslo. You forgot Rabin's inside murder, you forgot of Lewinski's
>> affair and
>> you forgot so much more of the question of Israel to US power and from
>> US
>> power to Israel and to otherness.
>> 
>> Remember Sabra and Chatila; Chatila yet now is a camp of Palestinian
>> refugees.
>> http://www.thomascrown.com/Chatila.htm
>> 
>> Do you know what has happened at Jenin?
> 
> thank you very much for calling me ignorant!!!
> i do know history though
> i just claimed that your version of it is one-sided
> and in your reply - see the quote above - you do the exact same thing.
> once again, in your version victims only exist on one side of the
> battle-line.
> the isreali children that were killed by hezbollah rockets do not
> appear anywhere in your version of "the history". they are not even a
> footnote!
> 
> the lebanese authors of the petition have their own agenda - which has
> everything to do with their daily lives.
> your personal political agenda is a different one
> one that i referred to as typical "west european intellectualism"  and
> which makes my stomach turn with it's self appointed moral superiority,
> it's deliberate distortion of any information into a political tool
> that is only to be used to further the political goals.
> (as a beside; all of these, as far as i'm concerned, based on a black
> and white, cold-war model of the world and it's division in good and
> evil).
> 
> your argumentation is passionate to the point where sentences break
> down grammatically and become near impossible to understand. but imho
> it lacks reason, balance and is ill informed.
> your comments and political opinion - both of which i object to - imho
> have smeared the sincerity with which the authors of the original
> pamphlet would have set out to write it.
> 
> this is far beyond any observations and comments that i intended to
> make on your political pamphleteering.
> i refuse to go into an email discussion over who's right or wrong in
> this entire (middle east) conflict. to think that it can be reduced to
> a few emails and some quotations from newspapers, imho is absurd.
> 
> rene
> 
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