<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">depends on how you define ‚disinformation‘<div class="">crimethInc has a clear history, easily to track (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CrimethInc" class="">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CrimethInc</a>.)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">thanks andreas for opening up the discussion here!</div><div class="">i’m personally shocked by the war rhetoric from all sides. i worked the past 25 years with artists from ukraine and russia in context trying to make borders unnecessary, call me naive, but i’m still 100% that we have to stand together against any kind of war - boycotts in the cultural sector would be confession of failure. (my subjective position)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">there was just a post by geert lovink on nettime with many proposals for constructive action:</div><div class=""><a href="https://nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-2203/msg00005.html" class="">https://nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-2203/msg00005.html</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">best, carsten</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">Am 02.03.2022 um 15:49 schrieb Matias Schüttenberg <<a href="mailto:matschutt@gmail.com" class="">matschutt@gmail.com</a>>:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="auto" class="">Is this the same desinformation campaign from Social Networks?? <div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Has someone researched on this subject there?</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On 2 Mar 2022 10:39, "Nicolas Montgermont" <<a href="mailto:list@nimon.org" class="">list@nimon.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution" class=""><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Hello everyone,<br class="">
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Maybe it is good to have the point of view of some political groups
in Ukraine and Russia.<br class="">
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Here is an article from some anti anti-authoritarian ukrainian
groups that is two weeks old:<br class="">
<a href="https://en.crimethinc.com/2022/02/15/war-and-anarchists-anti-authoritarian-perspectives-in-ukraine" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">https://en.crimethinc.com/2022/02/15/war-and-anarchists-anti-authoritarian-perspectives-in-ukraine</a><br class="">
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Here is one by russian anarchists, updated one week ago.<br class="">
<a href="https://en.crimethinc.com/2022/02/26/russian-anarchists-on-resisting-the-invasion-of-ukraine-updates-and-analysis" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">https://en.crimethinc.com/2022/02/26/russian-anarchists-on-resisting-the-invasion-of-ukraine-updates-and-analysis</a><br class="">
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They really helped me to understand the political situation!<br class="">
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Hi everyone, <br class="">
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I would like to share some thoughts that I have had since last
week.
<div class="">I apologize in advance for my English :) <br class="">
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This is a world war that didn’t start last week.
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It has started many years ago.</div>
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It has started straight after the end of the ‘’cold war’’
that was not cold at all.</div>
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It started with the first Gulf War in 1990, were the western
Alliances attacked Iraq. </div>
<div class="">And it continued with the occupation and destruction of
many eastern countries since then. </div>
<div class="">But in western countries and western media this was not a
problem, because we were the ones that were bombing.</div>
<div class="">And because the dead people were Muslims.</div>
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In 1995 there was a massacre in Kosovo, the biggest massacre
after the second world war, in which all the European
countries took part, by their silence. </div>
<div class="">And still, this was not a problem, because the dead
people were Muslims. Here in Greece, the media were saying
that the people were bombing their city by themselves </div>
<div class="">because they were fanatic Muslims (the same ideology that
continued with the second war in Iraq)<br class="">
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Now that the country that is attacking is not a western
country, it is called war.</div>
<div class="">As if previously we were having peace in the world.</div>
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In Ukraine from 2014 there is a war and since then, 14000
people have died. </div>
<div class="">If we look back when this started, we can see that this
is something that was pushed from the western countries back
then. </div>
<div class="">By sending weapons and supporting the para-military of
Ukraine and helping to establish a Fascist regime that
oppresses the people and the working class of Ukraine </div>
<div class="">and forwards neonazi ideologies and practices.</div>
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As the global Capitalistic crisis rises more and more, the
war probably will come closer to us. <br class="">
But whenever the Bosses of this world are making wars to
compete for their geopolitical thirst and capitalism
expansion, we are the ones who always die...</div>
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As the war expands, our personal or collective dilemmas for
participation for sure will get stronger. </div>
<div class="">We should not join any National flag. We should fight in
our countries against their participation in any war, </div>
<div class="">because we will be the victims of something that we only
have to lose. </div>
<div class="">We have to lose our friends and beloved people’s lives or
even our lives.<br class="">
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We won’t fight for anyone. </div>
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<div class="">Peace among the people, War among the Classes.</div>
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Together with the Oppressed people of Ukraine who are
fighting against this war.</div>
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Together with the Oppressed and arrested people of Russia,
who are fighting against this war.</div>
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5, 2021</b> <a href="https://www.cato.org/commentary/joe-bidens-ukraine-policy-repeat-george-w-bush-georgia" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">https://www.cato.org/commentary/joe-bidens-ukraine-policy-repeat-george-w-bush-georgia</a></div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:large"><b class="">April
21, 2021</b> <a href="https://www.cato.org/commentary/time-cure-americas-clientitis-over-ukraine" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">https://www.cato.org/commentary/time-cure-americas-clientitis-over-ukraine</a></div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:large">Dear
Andreas, and everyone else, I hope you are well... Nice to
see that you still can keep this unruly flock to toe the
red line.... :)))) </div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:large">I hope
you will enjoy the links. I do not approve or disapprove
of the Cato Institute, I just find their writing very
telling of a US mindset and liked the fact that these
opinions were voiced almost a year ago. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:large">This
clarification is in case someone would want to accuse me
of being a puppet or client of the Cato Institute. By the
way, to be a client one should have been paid something.
Unfortunately, I haven't. :))))) (For those who might
misunderstand, I would like to alert you to the fact that
this paragraph is a sarcasm, including the present
disclaimer.)</div>
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2021</span></div>
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<div style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:large" class=""><i class="">Tools
for Catching
Clouds</i> <a href="https://www.lanfrancoaceti.com/portfolio-items/tools-for-catching-clouds/" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">https://www.lanfrancoaceti.com/portfolio-items/tools-for-catching-clouds/</a></div>
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<div class=""><span class=""><i class="">Preferring
Sinking to
Surrender</i>,
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Sinking to
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<div style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:large" class=""><span class=""><i class="">Sacred
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Director and
Founder, MoCC <a href="http://www.museumofcontemporarycuts.org/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">http://www.museumofcontemporarycuts.org</a><br class="">
Editor in
Chief LEA, MIT
Press <a href="http://www.leoalmanac.org/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">http://www.leoalmanac.org</a> <br class="">
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