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<p>Hello from Helsinki and many thanks for opening up this thread! <br>
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<p>As many of my fellow citizens, I have grown up with constant fear
of our ominous and unpredictable neighbor, Russia. Being a small
nation at the direct geographical contact with the moody giant has
shaped the psychology of postwar Finland. We are constantly on our
knees making sure that the temper of our eastern neighbor stays on
the positive side. Some call this approach effective foreign
policy, the only way to survive. <br>
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<p>In 1939 Finland asked for international help on the eve of Soviet
attack. Very few replied. Now Ukraine is asking the same thing and
many have replied. It seems to me, that this is the way to fight
the despots, by joining all the forces against them and showing
unity, instead of self-interest.</p>
<p>Please, keep the pressure on together, we will need it here on
the eastern edges of EU.</p>
<p>/Hanna<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 02/03/2022 17.19, carsten stabenow
wrote:<br>
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depends on how you define ‚disinformation‘
<div class="">crimethInc has a clear history, easily to track (<a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CrimethInc"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext" moz-do-not-send="true">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CrimethInc</a>.)</div>
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<div class="">thanks andreas for opening up the discussion here!</div>
<div class="">i’m personally shocked by the war rhetoric from all
sides. i worked the past 25 years with artists from ukraine and
russia in context trying to make borders unnecessary, call me
naive, but i’m still 100% that we have to stand together against
any kind of war - boycotts in the cultural sector would be
confession of failure. (my subjective position)</div>
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<div class="">there was just a post by geert lovink on nettime
with many proposals for constructive action:</div>
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href="https://nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-2203/msg00005.html"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext" moz-do-not-send="true">https://nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-2203/msg00005.html</a></div>
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<div class="">Am 02.03.2022 um 15:49 schrieb Matias
Schüttenberg <<a href="mailto:matschutt@gmail.com"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext" moz-do-not-send="true">matschutt@gmail.com</a>>:</div>
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<div dir="auto" class="">Is this the same desinformation
campaign from Social Networks??
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<div dir="auto" class="">Has someone researched on this
subject there?</div>
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<div class=""> Hello everyone,<br class="">
<br class="">
Maybe it is good to have the point of view of some
political groups in Ukraine and Russia.<br
class="">
<br class="">
Here is an article from some anti
anti-authoritarian ukrainian groups that is two
weeks old:<br class="">
<a
href="https://en.crimethinc.com/2022/02/15/war-and-anarchists-anti-authoritarian-perspectives-in-ukraine"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
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Here is one by russian anarchists, updated one
week ago.<br class="">
<a
href="https://en.crimethinc.com/2022/02/26/russian-anarchists-on-resisting-the-invasion-of-ukraine-updates-and-analysis"
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They really helped me to understand the political
situation!<br class="">
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n<br class="">
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<div class="">Le 02/03/2022 à 11:48, Spyros Boukas
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Hi everyone, <br class="">
<br class="">
I would like to share some thoughts that I
have had since last week.
<div class="">I apologize in advance for my
English :) <br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
This is a world war that didn’t start last
week.
<div class=""> <br class="">
It has started many years ago.</div>
<div class=""> <br class="">
It has started straight after the end of
the ‘’cold war’’ that was not cold at all.</div>
<div class=""> <br class="">
It started with the first Gulf War in
1990, were the western Alliances attacked
Iraq. </div>
<div class="">And it continued with the
occupation and destruction of many eastern
countries since then. </div>
<div class="">But in western countries and
western media this was not a problem,
because we were the ones that were
bombing.</div>
<div class="">And because the dead people
were Muslims.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
In 1995 there was a massacre in Kosovo,
the biggest massacre after the second
world war, in which all the European
countries took part, by their silence. </div>
<div class="">And still, this was not a
problem, because the dead people were
Muslims. Here in Greece, the media were
saying that the people were bombing their
city by themselves </div>
<div class="">because they were fanatic
Muslims (the same ideology that continued
with the second war in Iraq)<br class="">
<br class="">
Now that the country that is attacking is
not a western country, it is called war.</div>
<div class="">As if previously we were
having peace in the world.</div>
<div class=""> <br class="">
In Ukraine from 2014 there is a war and
since then, 14000 people have died. </div>
<div class="">If we look back when this
started, we can see that this is something
that was pushed from the western countries
back then. </div>
<div class="">By sending weapons and
supporting the para-military of Ukraine
and helping to establish a Fascist regime
that oppresses the people and the working
class of Ukraine </div>
<div class="">and forwards neonazi
ideologies and practices.</div>
<div class=""> <br class="">
<br class="">
As the global Capitalistic crisis rises
more and more, the war probably will come
closer to us. <br class="">
But whenever the Bosses of this world are
making wars to compete for their
geopolitical thirst and capitalism
expansion, we are the ones who always
die...</div>
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As the war expands, our personal or
collective dilemmas for participation
for sure will get stronger. </div>
<div class="">We should not join any
National flag. We should fight in our
countries against their participation in
any war, </div>
<div class="">because we will be the victims
of something that we only have to lose. </div>
<div class="">We have to lose our friends
and beloved people’s lives or even our
lives.<br class="">
<br class="">
We won’t fight for anyone. </div>
<div class=""><br class="">
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<div class="">Peace among the people, War
among the Classes.</div>
<div class=""> <br class="">
Together with the Oppressed people of
Ukraine who are fighting against this war.</div>
<div class=""> <br class="">
Together with the Oppressed and arrested
people of Russia, who are fighting against
this war.</div>
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href="https://www.cato.org/commentary/joe-bidens-ukraine-policy-repeat-george-w-bush-georgia"
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href="https://www.cato.org/commentary/time-cure-americas-clientitis-over-ukraine"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.cato.org/commentary/time-cure-americas-clientitis-over-ukraine</a></div>
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Andreas, and everyone else, I hope you
are well... Nice to see that you still
can keep this unruly flock to toe the
red line.... :)))) </div>
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style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:large">I
hope you will enjoy the links. I do
not approve or disapprove of the Cato
Institute, I just find their writing
very telling of a US mindset and liked
the fact that these opinions were
voiced almost a year ago. </div>
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clarification is in case someone would
want to accuse me of being a puppet or
client of the Cato Institute. By the
way, to be a client one should have
been paid something. Unfortunately, I
haven't. :))))) (For those who might
misunderstand, I would like to alert
you to the fact that this paragraph is
a sarcasm, including the present
disclaimer.)</div>
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Sinking to
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style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
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Hanna Haaslahti
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