[spectre] Antw: Re: on Hungary

[heath bunting]

here is a question

what would the policies of a non-racist, non-corrupt, but non-imperial 
nation state government in central europe look like: especially concerning
the syrian refugee crisis ?

bearing in mind that such a government has to be popular with its citizens
and be working for the citizens best interests



On Fri, 13 Apr 2018, Oliver Grau wrote:

> Heath,
>
> you are right.
>
> German taxpayers now come up with 30-50 Bio. Euro per year for war
> refugees (and tolerated illegal migrants from many countries), which is
> more then the total defence budget (!) or 2-3 times what the state
> invests for education, research and innovation..
> https://www.bundeshaushalt-info.de/#/2017/soll/ausgaben/einzelplan.html
>
> Those regime change policies / arab spring movement-wars in Irak,
> Libya, Syria.. were started by the US, UK and their allies, like Saudi
> Arabia.
> Europe should not support those covert war forms.
> But politicians like Merkel first deliver weapons and then kill the
> German welfare state producing right wing parties in Germany and in
> other european states.
>
> regards,
> Oliver
>
>
>
>
>>>> heath bunting <heathbunting at irational.org> 13.04.2018 12:04 >>>
> here in the United Kingdom (UK) [the key partner in the United States
> of
> America Empire (USAE)], its seems unfair to expect the Hungarian people
> to
> solve the Syrian refugee crisis, which has been caused by the actions
> of
> the USAE, while the Hungarian people have had no material benefits from
>
> these conquests
>
> the UK has a long history of imperialism and dealing with both the
> benefits and negative effects
>
> on the other hand, i don't see Hungary in this mode
>
> labelling non-imperial nation states as racist or corrupt instead of
> attacking the much larger organised criminal network of the USAE seems
> dis-proportionate
>
> the same goes for expecting Swedish people to integrate 100,000s of
> north
> Africans - its wrong to denounce them as racist
>
>
> perhaps of interest
>
> https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-13/myth-european-democracy-shocking-revelation
>
>
> but i would be concentrating on this today
>
> https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-13/taking-world-brink-annihilation
>
>
>
> hope all is well
>
>
>
> On Fri, 13 Apr 2018, Andreas Broeckmann wrote:
>
>> janos,
>>
>> it is weird to read this, but isn't it clear that these things are
> happening?
>> and isn't the really worrying thing that hungarians have voted for
> fidesz
>> (party, leader, and candidates) despite the likelihood of this kind
> of
>> manipulation of public opinion?
>>
>> i don't want to sound fatalistic, but the worrying thing is that
> while
>> telling the truth is still important, it does not seem to make much
> of a
>> difference...
>>
>> ok, yes, we have to keep on telling the truth, searching, telling...
>>
>> excuse the fatalistic glitch.
>>
>> regards,
>> -a
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 13.04.18 um 11:29 schrieb János Sugár:
>>> *Hungarian journalists admit role in forging anti-migrant
> 'atmosphere of
>>> fear'*
>>> /Employees of state TV network describe how channels pumped out
>>> pro-government messaging ahead of Victor Orbán's election victory
> this
>>> week/
>>> /.../
>>> The journalists believe the anti-migrant messages often come
> directly
>>> from the government. People who work on stories directly involving
> Orbán
>>> receive a list of keywords to use. "Sometimes the editor will come
> into
>>> the office on the phone and dictate a whole story to us, word for
> word.
>>> We do not know who is on the other end of the phone," said one.
>>> /.../
>>>
> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/13/hungary-journalists-state-tv-network-migrants-viktor-orban-government
>
>>>
>>>
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