[spectre] Antw: Re: on Hungary

[Hanns Holger Rutz]

statistics - so sweet. personally, I am very happy that the government
spends more on humanitarian needs than weapons. anything else would be
highly worrying.

three more random links. as y'all love numbers:

https://www.helsinki.hu/wp-content/uploads/HHC-Hungary-asylum-figures-1-January-2018.pdf

(1216 of 9797561 equals 0.12 permille)

numbers versus feelings:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnhJWusyj4I

on the conspiracy of media and hate speech:

https://elpais.com/internacional/2018/04/12/actualidad/1523553344_423934.html

have a nice day, .h..h.



On 13/04/18 12:23, Oliver Grau wrote:
> Heath,
> 
> you are right. 
> 
> German taxpayers now come up with 30-50 Bio. Euro per year for war
> refugees (and tolerated illegal migrants from many countries), which is
> more then the total defence budget (!) or 2-3 times what the state
> invests for education, research and innovation..
> https://www.bundeshaushalt-info.de/#/2017/soll/ausgaben/einzelplan.html
> 
> Those regime change policies / arab spring movement-wars in Irak,
> Libya, Syria.. were started by the US, UK and their allies, like Saudi
> Arabia. 
> Europe should not support those covert war forms. 
> But politicians like Merkel first deliver weapons and then kill the
> German welfare state producing right wing parties in Germany and in
> other european states.  
> 
> regards,
> Oliver
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>>> heath bunting <heathbunting at irational.org> 13.04.2018 12:04 >>>
> here in the United Kingdom (UK) [the key partner in the United States
> of 
> America Empire (USAE)], its seems unfair to expect the Hungarian people
> to 
> solve the Syrian refugee crisis, which has been caused by the actions
> of 
> the USAE, while the Hungarian people have had no material benefits from
> 
> these conquests
> 
> the UK has a long history of imperialism and dealing with both the 
> benefits and negative effects
> 
> on the other hand, i don't see Hungary in this mode
> 
> labelling non-imperial nation states as racist or corrupt instead of 
> attacking the much larger organised criminal network of the USAE seems
> dis-proportionate
> 
> the same goes for expecting Swedish people to integrate 100,000s of
> north 
> Africans - its wrong to denounce them as racist
> 
> 
> perhaps of interest
> 
> https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-13/myth-european-democracy-shocking-revelation
> 
> 
> but i would be concentrating on this today
> 
> https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-13/taking-world-brink-annihilation
> 
> 
> 
> hope all is well
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 13 Apr 2018, Andreas Broeckmann wrote:
> 
>> janos,
>>
>> it is weird to read this, but isn't it clear that these things are
> happening? 
>> and isn't the really worrying thing that hungarians have voted for
> fidesz 
>> (party, leader, and candidates) despite the likelihood of this kind
> of 
>> manipulation of public opinion?
>>
>> i don't want to sound fatalistic, but the worrying thing is that
> while 
>> telling the truth is still important, it does not seem to make much
> of a 
>> difference...
>>
>> ok, yes, we have to keep on telling the truth, searching, telling...
>>
>> excuse the fatalistic glitch.
>>
>> regards,
>> -a
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 13.04.18 um 11:29 schrieb János Sugár:
>>> *Hungarian journalists admit role in forging anti-migrant
> 'atmosphere of
>>> fear'*
>>> /Employees of state TV network describe how channels pumped out
>>> pro-government messaging ahead of Victor Orbán's election victory
> this 
>>> week/
>>> /.../
>>> The journalists believe the anti-migrant messages often come
> directly
>>> from the government. People who work on stories directly involving
> Orbán
>>> receive a list of keywords to use. "Sometimes the editor will come
> into
>>> the office on the phone and dictate a whole story to us, word for
> word.
>>> We do not know who is on the other end of the phone," said one.
>>> /.../
>>>
> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/13/hungary-journalists-state-tv-network-migrants-viktor-orban-government
> 
>>>
>>>
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