[spectre] a terrible day

[Chris Oakley]

You're not drawing me into that well-trodden rabbit hole. My position is 
that state actors bombing civilians is the main issue.

Don't worry, I'll be leaving the group. I've really heard enough.

On 08/03/2022 16:26, heath bunting wrote:
> chris
>
> what is your position on the west supported white helmets ?
>
> (i ask as the syria dirty war is a prelude to the ukraine war)
>
> do you think they are heroes, as portrayed in the oscar winning 
> documentary about them ?
>
> or do you think they harvested organs from the people they 'rescued' 
> for the israeli bio-market ?
>
> i am happy to unsubscribe from the list if i am making people 
> uncomfortable - let me know
>
> hope all is well
>
> heath
>
>
>
> On Tue, 8 Mar 2022, contact wrote:
>
>> Right. I think we've heard it all now. I'm not sure how we're 
>> supposed to read this. Is this culture jammin? Best poetry? Or deranged
>> nonsense? It's an argument that dosen't even stand up to its own 
>> internal logic, if it can be called that. It's also pretty offensive
>> on many levels. It could also pass quite convincingly as 
>> disinformation. I really give up trying to understand what the game 
>> is behind
>> this. I find Steve Bannon's motto- "flood the field with shit" coming 
>> to mind.
>>
>> This thread is becoming pretty pointless is this is the calibre of 
>> response to a situation so serious.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>       On 8 Mar 2022 at 11:27, heath bunting 
>> <heathbunting at irational.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Personally, I would prefer to start the conversation with the 
>> simple > question, what is required so that everybody can live in 
>> peace and > freedom? And rather than assume a trope like the "spheres 
>> of influence" > as a given, I would only want to discuss how this war 
>> can be stopped, > and how a situation in which future wars can be 
>> prevented.
>> we have to constantly choose peace and freedom in all our 
>> interactions, but also be courageous enough to acknowledge and 
>> integrate the horror
>> of the will to power in ourselves and others
>> ignoring the crimes against humanity of our 'leaders' will not bring 
>> peace
>> in ourselves or for others
>> are we willing occasionally to engage in the means of black 
>> activities such child sex blackmail operations and human organ 
>> traffic financing to obtained the ends ?
>> are we then willing to integrate these activities into our peaceful 
>> and free lives ?
>> having a non-constituted extra-legal supra-national body, which can 
>> only engaged in covert horror to survive, in our lives makes choosing 
>> peace and freedom almost impossible
>> imperialism is the supreme crime against humanity and should be the 
>> first subject addressed in any conversation with intent to better the 
>> world
>> "There are roughly 750 US foreign military bases; they are spread 
>> across 80 nations! After the U.S is the UK, but they only have 145 
>> bases. Russia has about 3 dozen bases, and China just five."
>> it is completely disproportionate to compare USA empire [USA, UK, 
>> Israel, Saudi Arabia ...] with russia. the differential factor is 300/1.
>> in my opinion, another word for wisdom is proportionality
>> the first task of the day should always be to confront the USAE
>> until is is gone
>> russia [and others] are confronting the horror of USAE supported 
>> euro-fascism, as they confronted islamo-fascism [and beat] in syria
>> remember russia lost 20,000,000 people to euro-fascism in WWII
>> this is not a regional war, this is a world war to kill USAE and its 
>> proxy fighters
>> the sooner ukraine surrenders and accepts the conditions of 
>> de-nazification the less damage there will be
>> this can be said for all of us as well
>> all of us in 'the west' need to go through a process of imperial 
>> decontamination
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