[spectre] Are rating systems a placeholder for unions in a neo-lib world?

[Brian Degger]

 Jaromil,
Interested, but more in how to make a better experience, than necessarily
concentrating on ratings.
like http://hackdaymanifesto.com/ maybe a manifesto something like this for
art events.

On promotordb found the guys/developers fb page and this is what he says 4
days ago...wonder if he needs/wants help?

--------------from his fb page
Just an update for those who are awaiting authorization for
www.promoterdb.com - I'm working really hard on trying to manage this, I
did not expect such an massive massive interest so suddenly. I'm going to
be opening it up slowly over the next few days... tomorrow I'll open the
discussion area as there are some issues I need to address and just can't
manage as a one person team with everything else I have on. Once we figure
out the best way to manage submissions/ratings/reviews I will open up the
submission area.

It also raises a lot of interesting ethic/moral issues for me, I am unhappy
that promoters don't have their say on the development on this so I'd like
that to happen somehow before we move ahead (if we move ahead, I might pull
the plug or pass it on if it gets too much).

I don't want to be caught in the middle of anything, I just have the skill
set to create this, but perhaps not the time.

Stand by

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On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Jaromil <jaromil at dyne.org> wrote:

> On Tue, 03 Jun 2014, Brian Degger wrote:
>
> >                                   Site Offline
> >
> >    Due to an influx in popularity [1]www.promoterdb.com is temporarily
> >    offline while we re-assess how things are managed and where the
> >    site is heading. There has been a lot of contact and opinions given
> >    about this site, so we have decided to pull it offline until we
> >    have time to create a medium where people can discuss it's future
> >    and functionality.
>
> wow. interesting.
>
> I think their idea is very good.
> hope someone can keep it up.
>
> Brian, should we start a project like this? :^)
> we could think of running a db, but just for Europe...
>
> OTOH I reiterate my doubts about such an axiomatic approach to labour
> politics to be any better than actual unionism, but the rationality of
> neo-liberism is asking its toll here.
>
> good luck rating the content aggregators!
>
> p.s. (and thanks for replying. cultural operators announce lists feel
>         rather Kafkian at times)
>
>
> >    On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Jaromil <[2]jaromil at dyne.org> wrote:
> >
> >      dear Spectres,
> >
> >      some years ago (most people here might have forgotten anyway) I've
> >      lamented my bad experience in contributing to the Piksel media art
> >      festival in Bergen. At that time I thought of proposing a guideline
> of
> >      sorts and hoped in the birth of some kind of unionism for all those
> of
> >      us who are content producers and end up being milked and thrown
> away by
> >      aggregators of sorts. I'm sure many of you out there have to go
> through
> >      such experiences.
> >
> >      Today I've found this [3]http://www.promoterdb.com
> >      which might be of some interest.
> >
> >      I'm not sure if this will work as expected and I'm not affiliated
> with
> >      it in any way. However it might be interesting to experiment,
> filling in
> >      some feedback about the good experiences at least.
> >
> >      >From a unionist perspective it is somehow sad that the overall
> decay of
> >      labour based relationships within content producers and art
> institutions
> >      have lead to resort to such disgregating and passive methods.
> >      But then what else?
> >
> >      Are on-line rating systems the place-holder for labour unions in a
> >      neo-lib world?
>
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